Make A.I Your Bitch with Gemma Hurlstone

You've probably heard everyone banging on about AI. You've maybe even opened ChatGPT, typed something in, got back a load of waffle and quietly closed the tab thinking it's not for you.

In this episode of Girls in Property I'm joined by Gemma Hurlstone for her debut episode, and she's here to tell you the tool isn't the problem. AI is only ever as good as the person using it. Treat it like an assistant, not a replacement, and everything changes.

Gemma talks us through how she got started, what ChatGPT, Claude and Perplexity are each actually good for, and how her ADHD brain helped her spot the patterns most people miss. We get into the real-life stuff too. Meal plans. CRM setups. Hooking it up to your Drive, your inbox, your Asana. All the rubbish admin eating your week.

But this isn't just an episode about tech. It's an episode about worth. Gemma shares how she stopped doing everything for free, why she's finally putting herself first, and why every no is simply data.

Because AI can carry the boring bits. It can't replace lived experience, community, or the women who show up for each other.

Give it a listen, then go and use the thing properly.

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Morning everyone and welcome to today's episode of the Girls in Property podcast. So today I have somebody great that I really want to introduce you to. So basically, how this came about was I've actually met this person at um one of Anastasia's somatic workshops that we did together, and we actually ended up in the sauna together, we were doing the cold plunge together, and I just found her to be such an interesting person. Really interesting, really charismatic, and incredibly funny. Like I've often said to her, like, if if If all else fails, she should be a stand-up comedian because she's just absolutely hilarious. And and I saw her again um when I went down to Sophie Foote's um business by the beach day, which was absolutely brilliant. And Gemma was speaking on stage and she was speaking on the topic of AI. Now I've wanted to get somebody to talk about AI with all of you for the absolutely longest time, and I've been thinking about who to get on, and I've been watching certain people. And if I'm completely honest with you, there are some people who have an abundance of knowledge and abundance of skills. Everything with the AI, but I just found them to be a little bit static, a little bit sort of like stiff. And I thought for a podcast, you know, for podcasts, let's face it, we also want to be entertaining as well as value-driven. And so when I actually was watching Gemma's presentation uh with Sophie, all the room was in stitches, all the room was in fits of laughter, all the rooms sort of just really, really loved the essence of learning and giving value but having fun at the same time, and I think that is such an important way to learn it, really, really. is. So I want you to all be kind to her and give her so much love because it is her debut podcast, which I'm so so happy about because I always say to people if you're gonna have your debut podcast, it might as well be on the Girls and Property podcast. So without further ado, I'd love to introduce Gemma Holstone. Hey Gemma! Hello, thank you for having me. That's all right, welcome to the Girls in Property Podcast. Thank you. So today, as I said, we when we were speaking off the um before we press record, we both said we want to give loads of value today and really encourage women to feel confident with getting into AI. And if they're already in in you know, learning with Claude, Chat GBT, proximity, like whatever it is, let's just um perplexity, let's just really push them forward to to really have that confidence. So let's start let's start with this, Gemma. First of all, can you start by introducing yourself till everybody Little bit about you for those who don't know who you are or for those who do know who you are and kind of just getting to know you a bit more, and tell us about how you actually got into becoming this expert in AI and how you became this person who actually now teaches it and helps sort of business owners, if you like, really use it for their businesses as well. So I have been using AI for about two years. So not that long in the grand scheme of things, but I started using it when sort of chat became a thing and everyone was having a bit of a play with it. And quite quickly I was getting it to do things, of strategic things for work or meal planning and other bits and pieces kind of. without much training. And for some reason, my brain, which is great at pattern recognition, sort of was able to get it to work for me. I have got a bit of a scattered CV. I've done lots of different things. So I did history at uni, I worked in a museum, I've worked for the NHS. I thought I wanted to be a teacher, but that didn't go very well. And Then more recently, I actually worked in the events world in weddings and in hotels and events, which like I said, predominantly weddings went before I then started working for myself. I had my children in my 30s, in my early thirties and my first daughter was born just before COVID. So that whole journey was like quite difficult because it was quite isolating and Then I had my second daughter and after that I decided I needed something that worked for me and worked around them and just had more flexibility and I kind of always had wanted to work for myself but never really figured out how I was going to do that and I originally started out actually as a VA but I wasn't a very good VA because I didn't really like other people telling me what to do. But what I am very good at is unpicking messes. So a lot of the people who came to me actually, they did need a VA, but they needed someone before the VA to kind of unscramble what the problem was. So like lack of time, lack of space, lack of knowledge. um It's one of those classic things, you we all think we're gonna be able to do everything and... A lot of the time we can at basic level, but I always think, you you get a mechanic to service your car. You're not watching it on YouTube. So why are you using YouTube to try and teach you how to do your books? Like get a bookkeeper. Most people's time is more valuable actually doing the thing that they're good at, not trying to learn every skill in their business. And then when I started to work, like I said, when I worked with AI, it just sort of came naturally to me and I very... quickly realized that with my sort of ADHD brain, it was a bit of a godsend. And the best way I can describe the kind of light bulb moment was my brain is very busy, lots of things happening in it, you managing children, work, home. I started to use it a bit like a pensive that Dumbledore has in Harry Potter. So if people haven't read Harry Potter, and this is definitely not endorsing, you know, she who should not be named, but it's the best. thing that I can come up with is he takes the thoughts in his head and puts them in the bowl and it stores them until he needs them at a later date. And that was really how it started. I could put all of the chaos that was in my head, either dictate it or type it and it would hold it. And I could come back to it later when I had time to process it rather than on bits of paper or pasted notes back from the envelope, et cetera, and I would lose it. And that was kind of where it started. um And it just, there were so many amazing things that you could do with it. And now I'm just really passionate about helping women use it because there's still a lot of stigma around it. And it's not my job to like tell you to use it or not to use it. And there are other, obviously other things around it that people have concerns with, but if you want to use it, then I want to help you use it well, basically. Sorry, is that? long-winded version of my introduction. No, no, no. It's good and it really helps to just solidify and really really understand it. And um and you know what, it you said you said this thing and I wrote it down actually when you were speaking. You said that you taught it and you got it to do things. You you know, you you were able to notice pattern recognition and get it to do things. So what do you mean by that, Gemma? What did you get it to do? So rather than just sort of sit down and be like, can you give me 10 prompt or like 10 ideas for Instagram or can you tell me what the weather is or kind of using it as for Google, I would be like, oh, I need to plan an event for 30 people. It's in six weeks. I kind of like almost reverse engineering the outcome as the prompt. So by giving it... that information, it was suddenly giving me like really good outcomes. So in that sort of example, it would and then it would be asking me questions rather than me asking it questions. So it was extracting information from me that I obviously knew, but I almost didn't know I needed to tell it to get an outcome. then I'd get like a really amazing event plan within like 10 minutes. Whereas before when I was doing weddings, you know, I'd sit down, And it would probably take me two or three hours to like do it manually because you're having to think about how many guests when they arrive, when they're coming. So it, that was kind of, like I said, the sort of, as well as the brain dumping, that was kind of the light bulb moment when I was like, wow, this is where you can use it to speed processes up. And that's why I'm really passionate about it in terms of it's about maximizing your ability, not handing over your. capability. So giving it grunt work so that actually you have time and space to do more of what you need to be doing. Hm, I love that. And you know, so I've I've really sort of I sort of started off with with Chat GBT and I sort of dipped my toe if you like, and then and then somebody said to me that like you you need to move to Claude. Um Claude's fantastic and all of this, and so I've moved to Claude and Claude is fantastic, but I think actually what what what what changed it because I know that you probably get this question all the time, I get this question all the time, and and actually just to caveat this, and I'm gonna say this within the first ten minutes of this podcast, is there is no answer to what is the best AI tool to use. It is how good are you as the opera. of that tool. So somebody could have Claude, for example, and just go rewrite this, rewrite this, rewrite this, but don't tell Claude anything about you. Don't, don't, you know, it's never gonna promptly ask you because it doesn't know anything about you. Therefore, Claude isn't gonna be that good. Whereas Chat GPT, which is just full of someone's information, full of someone's brain dump, full of someone's they know everything about that person, then ChatGPT is gonna be better than Claude. So for me, within the first 10 minutes, I just say to everyone because I know this is a question that everybody's going to be listening to and want to know the answer to there is no this is the best one for this this is the best one for this this is the best one for this it's just you yeah. And it's almost like, do you use Android or do you use Apple? Do you use Mac? Do you use Windows? Do you play a PlayStation? Do you play an Xbox? Like it's almost down to personal preference. Like there are some things that different AIs are naturally good at. And one of the reasons that I originally moved to Claude, which is kind of, is owned by Anthropic is because there is some elements of like Claude's kind of DNA, how they've built it is slightly more ethically based um than chat GBT. And I don't want to make this political because it's not, but you know, chat is very heavily involved in the American government. So depending on your views about that, just depends, you know, on data and things, there are some differences. Ultimately, most people are level as long as you are paying for it, as long as you've turned off your sharing for training model, more training models, then your date is pretty safe. It's not really any different to using Google mail or using your banking app. You know, these are big companies. They have to have very strict uh guidance because if they didn't, then they would be being pulled up on it. And there isn't, you know, some dude in California sat there reading my conversations with chat or Claude about, you know, how I get my kid to go to bed earlier, because that's not what they're interested in. Like when they use the training models, actually, all they're doing is running the conversations through like a big database. And it's just training the AI on how to answer questions. It's not, like I said, being read by somebody. And it It can't be like, obviously it could be hacked by somebody if somebody wanted to hack your chat GBT, the same as if they want to hack your bank or hack your phone. But it's not, there isn't somebody sat there like laughing about whether or not you're, you know, deciding to go to Spain or Greece on your summer holiday. Yeah, exactly. So let's talk up going back to what you also said there, Jemis. So you talked about pattern recognition. You said, you know, I became very good at pattern recognition. So what do you mean by that? So I didn't realize that that was basically one of my sort of superpowers as somebody called, as people call it. And I don't know if it's down to my ADHD or if they compliment each other. So my brain works very quickly and it's very good at like big picture and then figuring out the quickest way to getting to where you want to go. And because that's what I do naturally, I never realised it was like kind of a thing until I started to work with people and they then were like, well, this is like what you're good at is like sequencing things sort of naturally. And I was actually explaining it to my husband the other day. So years ago when we met in my early 20s, I worked in a pub and I used to like run dinner service and I would read all of the tables that we'd have booked in. And again, my brain naturally would be like, right, these people are here. And then it would just be like, right, so this is what needs to happen at 7.15. This is what needs to happen at eight. This is what needs to happen at this time. This is what the chef needs at this point. And I'd be able to like literally plan the whole evening in my head. And then that's how I would run the service with the staff and know what needed to be done. And I didn't even, like I said, I didn't even realize that was not a thing that everyone's brain did. Yeah, exactly. But you know what? Everyone's brain doesn't do that. That's the thing. You know, that is literally a superpower that you that you have essentially, which is incredible. Uh, and where the the ADHD side really comes forward and particularly with that. So uh talking about like AI then and and you know, relating it to AI, so what is a type of pattern that you would recognise when using Claude? So like I said, it's more about the information you need to give it for the outcome that you're desiring rather than like what's inside of Claude, if that makes sense. um an example of something I've done is I have a friend who is a wedding planner. She has maybe 12 couples a year. So she doesn't need to subscribe to a large CRM system like go high level or whatever, because it would be a waste of money. um she had an Excel spreadsheet and she just had things everywhere. So I just like made her a CRM in Claude Code. And again, I just thought it was easy. But then I was talking to somebody like, so my friend's husband was a coder and he was like, that's amazing. Like, you know, like how long did it take? And I was like, I don't know, an hour and 45 minutes. And he was like, what? I was like, what do mean? He was like, that's ridiculous. Like, that would have taken me probably a couple of days. was like, I, again, it was, it's a really odd thing because you don't, didn't even know I was like good at it, if that made sense until other people sort of pointed it out and I was like, oh, okay. But because, like I said, because I knew what I wanted the outcome to be, I was able to then put in the information in the right way. So, where I'm obviously not a coder by trade. It's not how I learn. I'm like not methodical in the sense of like, you know, one plus one equals two or whatever. I'm probably more like, I want to get to 27. So I could make that with four lots of five and a seven. So it's just, that's the way my brain sort of decided that's how it's going to build it. And because I was able to do it that way, the coding was quick because it didn't have to guess a lot of what it needed because I just naturally gave it the information. So it's about being really clear on what you want and then making sure that you know that. And again, when I speak to people and they kind of like, I need to know AI or I don't know how to use it or this or that, like AI isn't always the answer. And, but it is, but it, sorry, my brain's going off on tenders. It's like, if you're already chaotic, for example, um, and you add an AI, it's going to make more chaos. But if you have a really slick business model and you have loads of standard operating procedures already, then AI will be amazing because it will be able to automate those things because the structure is already there. Hmm, I agree. So let's do this then. Let's talk about what we're celebrating at the moment because I think that'd be really great. Because that's what we do with Girls and Property. And then what I'm gonna do is I'm also gonna help you in the next part of this because what I want to do is give some really important tips that we can really give to the people who are listening to this that where I want to take two different examples. I want to take an example of a person who is brand new to AI and to literally get them started. And then I want to take somebody who's already using AI, and then we can really develop them forward. And what I can do, Jen. is I can help you with this because now I use AI basically every day and I can also give tips about what I do and how I use it and we can do it together and we can teach together as it were. So what is it that you'd say that you are celebrating at this moment in time? So I'm going to say two things. One is I have just joined a local private member spa that has opened up locally to where I live. So it's got a sauna and a cold plunge and lake swimming. And it's like 10 minutes from my house. So they only did like 100 local spaces and I signed up for the wait list and got a space. So that's really exciting because those are things. that make me feel really good. And I've done a lot of work for myself. And, you know, I used to believe that you had to earn rest, whereas now I understand that, you know, rest and recuperation is important. So that's why this is a win. uh And then my other win is that I um have started making um a CRM system for my husband. He is a joiner and he has literally never used AI. He can barely use the washing machine, which I'm sure lots of people, he claims that it's too hard. think it's just ignorance to be honest. But I've built him CRM and I think it's really exciting because where he's in the trades and he's so he uses his phone obviously a lot for like text, email, whatever. But now he can put all of his jobs in one place. He can invoice from it. He can track his clients in it. He can have his to-do list in it. ah Cause again, he's one of those people that's got three notepads and things get lost and he's all over the place. So, yeah, it's really exciting. Cause I'm hoping that then we'll be able to get some other trade people to use it as well. And it will be really helpful for them. Yeah, fantastic. And this this is the thing, like, two things. So the first one is is just on this note that you've just said so I don't forget it, is you know, some of the conversations sometimes that I have within the community or in my DMs is where where women will say to me, um, you know, Athena, I need some extra cash flow in my business. I'm thinking about making some like asset intelligent products and things and and and something that people can use as it were. Have you got any ideas or or or or of ways in which I can do that? Jemmy, you've just given a Perfect example of this, which is that you've created effectively a CRM system for your husband and he's a joiner in order to do this, and you just said, hopefully other joiners will want this as well. You could literally package this up once you've actually created it and built it and literally sell it to other joiners to say, this is how it works, these are the results, this is what you can do as well, and make money through that. And this is where IP comes from. Like it's it's brilliant, it comes from your head. And I think as well, it's actually about sometimes it's simple solutions uh are the most effective like answer because again, I think there's this kind of thing that people think you've got to be like one type of way to use AI or whatever, but actually solving a problem like that for someone who isn't like techie and it's never going to be techie because he can't make windows with AI. So. it's not any good to his actual job. But it solves a problem. And, you know, hopefully that will be worth money to other people who have a similar problem, like you said, and it's actually like, what are simple everyday things that are a problem? And that's how you use it to solve things. And that's how you get back time and space and capacity with it. Yeah, and let's face it, for all business owners, all business owners, when you're thinking about this, and this is the predominance of AI and this is what we talk about, it's never there to replace you, it's there to assist you effectively. And it's there to really help you with with time and gain time back. The one thing all entrepreneurs say to me that they lack whenever they're doing anything is time. You'll always hear them say there just isn't enough time in the day, there isn't enough time for me, there is enough time for this. And you just gave a beautiful example of your celebration there, Gemma, where you were like, No, I've I'm I'm booked myself into this, this wealth club. Which is gonna do like a spa and a lake swimmer, like all of this. That's you choosing where you're spending your time, which absolutely should be celebrated. Because one of the things that I've been talking about a lot recently, um, in the most beautiful way, is this aspect of self-love, right? Because I feel like not enough of us actually have a lot of self-love for ourselves. And I'm finding this when I'm in my my teaching, my mastermind, my accelerator, like anything like that. And actually, when you have more self-love for yourself. It's a really interesting one because I feel like you feel like you're invincible, you feel like you have all this power, you feel that in a beautiful way, in a really positive way. You feel like you can do anything. And so, you know, if a landlord says no to you, if a client says no to you, if an investor says no to you, it actually doesn't matter because you literally have almost like an an infinite amount of energy, an infinite amount of leads, you know. And I think that the fact that you have just done that and said, actually, I'm done a lot of inner work, I'm looking after myself, that is a lot of self-love and I think that that is such a powerful thing that as business owners we can do. you know that's been a journey and that's been a journey since I started working for myself and at the beginning I was doing loads of free work for people because I thought that was the only way that I could like prove myself or get value or show that I was worthy because I was going above and beyond. It is really interesting. again, everybody has different things, but it's almost like if you're putting out that everything you do is for free, then it's almost like you don't, I didn't have any paying clients because I was telling everyone I would do it for nothing. So why would they pay me? so there's, you know, that's a whole kind of other conversation, but yeah, choosing to put yourself first, which I think again, as women, we're kind of like almost taught that is selfish or you know, other people's needs come first and you know, you have pets, have a partner, you have children, you have a business, you have a house, like all of these things like exist and are really important. But ultimately, if you are, you know, pouring from an empty cup, then you have nothing to give back. And it's taken me a long time to learn that. But that's why I wanted to say that that was my win because, you know, it is really important that you you're worth, like you said, you're worth and your choices are not related because and I had a, I read a great quote earlier in the year. I can't remember the name of the guy, but he's a Hollywood producer. And he said that every no is just data. And I thought it was such a great reframe of like, because he's like, it teaches you how to get a yes. And I loved that because it meant it like completely changed how I saw like nose. you know what? I completely agree with you. And funny enough, I'm just gonna see if I can try and find it while I'm on this podcast with you. Because I I had this also. I saw something. Oh, where is it? I'll have to find it at some point. I saw it the other day and it was about receiving uh it was about receiving nos. I can't find it now. But it was so it was so poignant and it was so prevalent. So maybe as you're you're speaking, what I'll do is I'll try find it on my phone because it it it just reframes nos in the best, best way. And I I said this actually on my CEO days with the girls for the Mastermind and the Accelerator girls and all of them literally just went, ooh, that's so good. And I went, yeah, I know. So I'll try to find it. I'll try to find it. I just gotta go through my archive on my phone for it. Um some for me it's about like really simple ways of like reframing stuff and Yeah, like with the children I For example last night we get came back was it some yeah Sunday yesterday we came back and they were both like really grubby and really tired and I just made pancakes for tea with blueberries and then like gave him a strip wash and put them to bed because it was like actually fed happy, safe, loved, sleeping is what they needed. Like having a fight about a bath wasn't going to achieve anything for anyone. So sometimes like good enough is enough is the best option rather than always achieving like the perfect outcome. And again, that's been like a big refame for me and like ADHD is... again, whole nother topic, but for me, the reason I needed my diagnosis was it helped me to understand like the rejection sensitivity disorder that goes with it, why everything felt so personal and being able to understand that was also like part of its brain chemistry rather than just I'm like over emotional or things that I'd probably been labelled in the past. was like really helpful to me and like that's not everyone's story but that's why that's how it helped me anyway. Yeah, definitely, definitely. So let's let's go back to to AI then. Let me really help you with this with this kind of this conversation. I can kind of guide you and lead you, um, lead you with it. So when I first started out with AI and um and I know many other people do, I personally treated it like Google. I know I did. So w how I used Chat GBT way before I was with Claude was I would literally ask ChatGBT questions as if I was asking Google questions. So I'd say, um, I'd be like, Hey ChatGBT. Where is the nearest Chinese takeaway in you know my hometown? Um, what is what's the time difference between the UK and Spain? What's this? And so it effectively became a glorified Google essentially. Um I got it to rewrite a lot of stuff, so I'd say, hey Google, rewrite this, keep the essence of me in this and the way that I speak, but make it um sound better. Adds some grammar in those types of things. And obviously everyone loves those sort of those dash symbols, don't they? Because then we all know that it's written by Chat GBT because those dash symbols are always there. So then you've got to be like, remove the dash symbols and make it sound more human, which is the most hilarious prompt that you can ever put in. And so, and I know a lot of people listening to this are gonna be laughing to themselves, going, literally, Athena, that's how I use Chat GBT. I use it for Google, I use it to rewrite stuff for me, as it were. So do you find that? Do you find that a lot of women actually also say that to you? again, it comes down to, you know, knowledge, experience, somebody telling them how they can and can't use it. And there's two things with this really is one, like Google exists. So I would say still use Google for Google, because that's what it's really good at. So actually, you can use it in that way, but Google does the job better because it's been doing it for a lot longer. And In terms of how you use it, it doesn't matter how you use it because it's very personal and it's how it helps you. And what would help me isn't necessarily going to be what would help you. But if you do want to use it, it's about using it strategically and using it well so that you're, as we said, not kind of like handing over your... brain to it, you got to view it as like you're slightly dopey personal assistant, but that's not a personal assistant. You know, it's like, I kind of, I do almost have characters for them in my head because it helps me like differentiate which one does different things. like perplexity is great for research. So it's always a bit of like, if you think about like an American, late nineties rom-com where you've got, you know, like the jocks and you've got the cheerleaders and you've got like the nerds and you've got the debate team and all of that kind of thing. So to me, like perplexity is kind of like the debate nerdy team. You go for it when you like, need to know the answer solid. It tells you what the reference is. It's not going to deviate from what you asked it because it's not, that's what you asked it. So that's what it's going to tell you. Chat GBT is a bit like a pep. who is saying that you're amazing all of the time. And you do have to kind of like check yourself because you could put like the worst idea in there ever. And it's naturally going to tell you that you're amazing because it does have bias built into it. A bit like Instagram, shows you things that you want to see to keep you on their chat, gives you positive reinforcement. So you want to keep using it. And then Claude's a bit like your grumpy, like uncle who will help you with a bit of a grudge. And it will do what you ask it, but if you're not really explicit, then it won't do the bit that you think it will do without instructions. I don't know if you found that with Claude. And actually I find claw to be sometimes quite judgmental as well. It's really funny. Yeah, it is. So they do almost all have like a bit of a personality. um Because yours and yours have to remember they say they're all they're all built how they're built. So they do kind of have like, those things that are built into them. And then the more you use them, they do adapt. So they it was almost like a mirror of you. So like you said, you've been using chat loads, it would be able to answer things better than when you start using Claude. And if you want to move systems, then there's ways to do that. You can pull your data out and move it across. chat is like, chat did have an upgrade literally like two or three weeks ago. And there was a lot of talk online about how the new like chat work is kind of almost better than... uh Claude's co-work because it's more, it's much more kind of like intuitive. So for new users, it probably works better. um But there's so many things that I use Claude for that to like rebuild it would be a faff that I probably wouldn't go back, but I do tend to also play them off against each other. So if one of them kind of like gives me an idea when I'm kind of brainstorming, I'll stick it in the other one and I get it to kind of rip it apart because again, it... In terms of research, that's also really good. So when I was writing some research about ethical AI use, I put the same prompt research into all of them and then uh put it all together and then ripped it apart and then put it back together before I then made it into my actual paper that I wrote because they all have different viewpoints and they all find different sources. So yeah. And the other thing that, sorry, sorry, I'm pretty sure I've kind of gone off topic. Hallucinations, you know, when they talk about AI can hallucinate. um So chat tends to do that more than Claude. Like Claude will kind of like say, I don't know what you mean, or you haven't given me enough information. Whereas chat will just kind of like go off with a bit of a tangent. Maybe chat has ADHD like me. um let's come back to the conversation. Let me help you with the conversation. So here's what we're gonna do to stay on track. This is what we're gonna do together. So we're gonna take a person, we're gonna take two different types of people and we're gonna do this together. Yeah? So the first person that we're gonna do is a person who's never used AI before. And what we're gonna do is you're gonna give them some suggestions now, some top tips where they literally, if they have a pen to paper in their hand, you're gonna be like, right, you've never used chapter before. You've never used claw before, you've never used perplexity before. Anything, right? They're brand brand new. I have my own top tips that I'm gonna give in a minute as to what I would do if I were in their shoes, but what would you do if you were speaking directly to them in this moment? What would you say to them? Top tip. I would make a list of things that you do every week that either zap your time or drain you energetically and then see if there is a way that AI might be able to help with them because even as a newbie there could be something very quick. Meal planning would be a really good example if you're a busy founder or a busy mom or just busy in general. know, meal planning can take a while, especially if you have dietary requirements or whatever. So that would be a really quick win. And any of the AIs would do that. You could literally be like, I'm Gemma, I'm 37, I need to eat more protein because of this, blah, blah, blah. This is what's in my fridge. This is my weekly budget. This is where I like to shop. This is what I'm allergic to. And it would help you, know, meal plan in 10 minutes. Whereas I don't know about you, but if I have to sit there and do that from my brain, it would take me ages because it's just not a fun task. So that would be like a quick win. So it would be something like that that would give you back time, but also help you achieve something that you're trying to do. Yeah, definitely. Do you know just a really funny example of that actually, just while we're on that topic, is, you know, once um someone said to me, Do you know if you like spoke to this was ages ago, they're you if you spoke to Chat GBT and you opened your fridge and you didn't know what to make and you were like, chat, I've got a courgette, I've got creme fraîche, I've got salmon, I've got this, I've got this, and you literally just list the ingredients that you actually have in the fridge. Rather than having to work out what the how you're gonna cook, you can literally just say, These are my ingredients, what recipe should I make? And then they'll be like, This is the recipe that you should make, this is what you've got, and it will say to you, Do you have this? This and you'll No, I don't have any of those. They're like, that's fine, we're gonna deviate, we're gonna do this instead. And it literally can create a whole dish for you, which I thought at the time, this was about two years ago, at the time, I thought was really, really cool. Because usually instead you'd be like, what should I what should I make? Um, what about for then to use it from an entrepreneurial's perspective? So meal planning and all of that fantastic busy mom's works really, really well. What's then the next step? Like let's say that they're a property investor or they're a business owner or something. How could they set up their ChatGPT in the best way to assist them going forward? so yeah, it's about, would say the best, the biggest win would be by making it like the middle man. So connecting things to it. So connect your calendar, connect your, uh, your Google drive or your app, your outlook, whatever it's tools you use. Most of them have MCP connectors, which means that they kind of like plug into each other, like puzzle pieces. And it gives permissions and everything. can literally give it like read only access or read and write or however you want it to do. But it does mean that you are able to start using it for shortcuts. So I have a briefing that Claude emails me every morning and it tells me what I'm doing that day, what emails are in my inbox, what I should be thinking about. So rather than I get back from the school run and I got to spend 10 minutes figuring out what I'm doing, it's giving me a snapshot and it's telling me like three things it thinks I should look at. You know, obviously I could still use my own brain and say yes or no, thanks or whatever. But the me, that's a really big win because it's like giving me direction before I start. And then it's also when all of those things are connected, you can, um if you are using Google Sheets or Excel for budget for budgets, which, you know, I'm guessing a lot of entrepreneurs have for cashflow or buying property, et cetera. Again, you can pull the data from it. So if you had 10 properties that had tenants in, for example, you could be like, it, you know, how has everyone paid their rent this month? When is the insurance is due on this property? So it's like, you can start talking to the data. So rather than you've got to be like, Oh, 29 Baker Street needs its insurance. I have no idea when it is. Hang on. I've got to find it in Google. It just, it's like giving you instant access to information. So I would say that would probably be my biggest win. Definitely, definitely. So I agree with all the things you just said. So I I'd say that from my own experience, what my top tips would be for anybody starting out is I think the thing that everybody avoids because they feel like they don't have enough time to do it. And I was one of these people, is what you need to do is you need to actually sit down with whatever tool you want to use. You know, you can decide whether it's claw, chat GPT, whatever it is, and literally tell it everything about you. You need to upload all your documents. You need to say to it, right, this is what it is. Imagine as if you took on a new PA for argument's sake and you said and you said right PA I need you to go and do this task, this task, this task. And the PA says to you, well hold on a minute, I don't even know like what business you run. I don't even know like what you do. I don't even know what your day-to-day looks like. I don't know what a day in the life looks like. What I would recommend that you do and this is what I did with with with chat and then Claude actually when I when I sort of and I'll tell you how to switch over as well if you want to switch between Chat GPT and Claude and I'll I'll tell you what I did with that one. Is you effectively need to ask Claude or ask ChatGPT what is it that you want to know about me that would assist you in helping me? So the so the best way that I use AI is I get it to ask me questions, that I then answer the questions and I then create those prompts. So you would say, This is my business, this is what I do. What you can actually also do, which is what I did in Claude, you can actually upload your website as well. So I uploaded my entire website and I said, extract. All the information from this website that you basically know about me and whack it in. And I said, anything that doesn't quite resonate, anything that we've got some gaps, anything that you don't understand, ask me the questions. So it would it would basically scrape this information, come and say, Hi, we know this about you, but we also don't know this about you. Can you please help us with these answers? And so I spent at least a day, I reckon, like hours and hours and hours, just instructing it about me. And I'd cook I don't and I'd say, save this to your memory, save this to your memory. Save this to your memory so that it it it learns literally about me. it's also about do you audit your memories like every couple of months or whatever, because that's a massive thing as well. So it's keeping it up to date. So I, at the end of the everyday, because I use Claude code a lot, I, it automatically scrapes all of my conversations and updates my CRM for what I've been doing for what client so that everything is relevant because. If it misses that, then some of their contacts can be, get, can get lost. And again, depending on the kind of business that you've run. So I use notion as my second brain. So everything I do for my business has a backup copy in notion that Claude or chat then goes in and updates so that it's always working off the correct information. And for example, then if you do want to move from. to Gemini or Gemini to perplexity. All I have to do is connect notion to the new AI. I don't have to set it up from scratch every time. Exactly, exactly. And then the connector bit is fantastic. So for example, and I and I did notice actually when I speak to a lot of you as the listeners, some of you don't actually have this. And if you don't have this, I highly recommend that you get this literally today, like today, is Google Drive. You know, sometimes I'll say I'll I'll share things in my Google Drive with a lot of you, um, for various reasons if I'm coaching you or whatever. Like, well, I don't have Google Drive. I'm like, get Google Drive, it's really important. Because that can literally store all of your information, everything that you have, and then do you know what? It doesn't even matter, like Where you are, what laptop you're on. You can literally gain access to everything from any laptop, any computer, anything like that. And then was going to say, yeah. And that's essentially what I do with nation. And the only reason I use nation over Google, like I do have Google drive as well, but I, I like the fact that nation goes in circles. Whereas Google drive doesn't, but that again is personal preference, but yeah, that's a really strong, like piece of advice about making sure everything is in an accessible, safe place. And like you said, if you lose your laptop or your phone, you want all your stuff. be somewhere safe and secure. But with Google Drive, what you can then do, just coming on to the AI aspect, is you then connect it, as you said, Gemma, you can then connect it. And what I do a lot of is I say, I say things like, Hey Claude, um go and find out what what the conversation was um on the recent flow and alignment call with ex clients, bring it forward for me, because then I need you to um get this transcript, I need you to put this, this, this together. And it's like, cool, done. And it can do it within the space of about sort of like five minutes. Now, what's important to note, and this is really important to note, is do not get lazy. Lazy, right? The the advice I would give is don't get lazy because you can see that it's written, but sometimes it's not quite written the way that you want it to be written, or sometimes there's actually bits of information that are wrong, essentially. And I've read through things before and I've gone, hold on, that's wrong, that's wrong, that's wrong. And what you have to do is you have to update Claude. And sometimes it'll say, sorry, mistake on my hand, let me just update that. And I'm like, okay, so AI isn't perfect. No, no. are there there are mistakes that are going to be made. Um, but if you can connect, the main ones that I would connect, if you're Athena, give me some top tips on on what ones to connect. I'd connect Google Calendar, I'd connect Google Drive, I'd connect personally my Stripe account. Um, I would connect email, yep, Gmail definitely. CRM system if you have one. Yeah, CRM system, definitely. Um, I'd connect that essentially, um, Excel, those types of ones. Yeah, I think I think anything that you my advice would be anything that you use on a daily basis that you know you're gonna need, I would connect. I've got one actually. I've got one. So people ask me about project management software all the time. They're like, Athena, I'm working with multiple P people, multiple builders on different projects, um, or PAs or everything. What project management system slides should I use? Now, again, everybody is different. I was always weighing up the difference between Asana and Trello personally, and I decided to go with Asana. So Asana is fantastic because you can literally put in projects where you can have different um different houses, different builders, different anything, building schedules, etc., or just PAs, and you can literally be like in a sauna, this is what needs to be done, this is who I'm going to allocate it to. Is it done? Yes or no? Tick or cross? Um and what the notes attached to it. And if you actually link then Claude to Asana, which you can do within the connector section, you can then say to Claude, right, Where are we up to the schedule of works for this build? What is it that I need to send? I need to send an email to this builder. Can you please notify them of everything that needs to be done? Or you can create a list enclawed of everything that needs to be done and say, put this into Asana and allocate it to Builder 1, Builder 2, Builder 3. And then you can literally do it in the space of about five minutes as opposed to anything else. So it's good. and it's that, and that's why I said it becomes your like middleman between all your tools. And it's again of say some other quick wins that are similar to that is if I go to networking, I take pictures of the business cards that I collect and Claude sticks it straight into my like lead gen database. Every time I do something new, I get it to write an SOP and put it straight into my SOP library. If I am having a conversation, like you said, with a client, when it records, it goes and sticks it wherever it should be in Google Drive, and then it pulls that and sticks it straight into my CRM. So for me, it's about speeding up things that, as I said at the beginning, is grunt work, because for me, that takes up mental energy, and then I have less mental energy to do what I need to do, especially if I have a call that's finishing at three o'clock and I need to go and get the children. You know, I'm finished my call and I go and get them and it would might not be in four or five hours later until I back on my laptop. And I've obviously completely forgotten why I was speaking to John about because like life has happened. So, and like you said, it's really, that's why I bang on about like human centered AI, making sure you're not handing over your critical thinking skills and getting it to make decisions for you because that is where it goes wrong and not checking. And if you. know, if you want to write a blog post about something that, you know, you're particularly passionate about, then get it to interview you, get it to create the first draft, but then go through it, make it sound like you. you know, brainstorming first drafts research, that's what it's for. It's not, I don't believe that you should use it to replace yourself. I think you should use it as basically, like you said, a PA for all the things that take up your time. Exactly. And then one final bit of of top tip is if you're going to be using um Claude, I never did this in ChatGBT, but when I use it in Claude, one of the other first things I actually did was I set up projects. So you know what Gem, you what Gemma said um earlier in regards to literally like telling it everything that you know but getting it to store information that you could use at a later date. So for example, I have my god, I have so many different projects literally in my Claude that relate to different things. So for example, it would be if I'm working on a particular property. um let's say like one six three Flounder Road, I'll literally be like right, one six three Flounder Road. And then I'll go directly into that project, that folder if you like. It's called a project, but it's a folder. You then just tell it everything you want about that particular folder. Or you might have um it might be my flow and alignment course. Everything that I do about my flow and alignment course is in there. My podcast is a different one. My community is a different one. Everything is there. And then I've just actually started one which was really interesting with somebody who told me about to do this. Was to actually set up a health coach with Claude as well. So now I actually have a health coach where I literally talk to it as if it is literally like a PT for me. And I tell it about what I eat, I tell it about what I'm doing, I tell it about what I exercise. I'm saying, should I I l should lift heavier today? And it's like, no, because you did this today, what you should do is do two days and then do this. How is you gonna have um DOMS? It's the most amazing thing. So my advice to you would be set up projects in Clawed that you can then go and do that. you can also use your projects in different ways so you could have like a copyrighted project, you could have a social media project. Do you use skills? No. What what could you do in the skills then? routines. So routines are like automations, like I said, say like a morning briefing or something, or for example. So skills are really useful because they're kind of like a project, but you can do things in a certain order. So it's a little bit like an automation. So a really good example would be if you wanted to say, write a blog post, you could have what I would call the orchestrator at the top, which would basically be like your final copy. editor and then you could have like a researcher then you would have the copy editor then you would have the humanizer then you would have the like say brand guidelines and then it would do it like one two three four so when you tell Claude to do something so if i went into Claude and i was like write me ten posts for instagram based on these things over seven days whatever what Claude does is it tries to do it all together at once the the brilliance of a skill set up in that particular way is it will only do one job at a time so rather than trying to research write edit all in one go it will do it in a methodical order so then the piece that you're given at the end is already in a better state of like draft because it's being more methodical so it's things like that and um Again, when you said like when someone's a complete beginner, obviously we've talked about lot of connecting and all of things, which are really important. But I think before that, if you're scared of it or if you're a bit worried about it or you don't want to put all your personal stuff in, like just go and have a conversation with it, like go and have a conversation with it about like how you should spend a Saturday afternoon because this is the place that you're going to visit and you haven't been there before and you only want to spend £50 and you really like bagels. go and do something a bit sort of random that isn't giving it information and just use it because that's going to be the biggest win is use it so you're not worried about how it's going to react. And it's also like, it's not real. It's not judging you. It's not going to think that you're daft or you've asked something stupid or even though we have talked about Claude being grumpy because it's not real. Like it is literally... just a big document that talks back to you. Like you don't worry about what you say to it. It's not gonna think you're, it's not gonna like morally judge you. Hmm. I love that and I love the example of literally just going and like talking about bagels like that. It's so funny. But yeah, it it it's literally that. I think, you know, we obviously, like you said, we want to give a lot of value. But actually, like you said, if somebody has never used it and they're worried, actually just use it for something like that. Or because then that's the easiest way not and you can also have fun with it. Do you know what mean? Like you don't have it doesn't all have to be work. I Google have a really lovely feature where you can turn um you can make personalized storybooks. And so my daughter told a story to my younger, so my six year old to my three year old story. And I then got her to retell me the story and I recorded it on my phone. And then I put it into this feature that is in Gemini and I made it into a book. So now she has her own book that is made from her story that she told her baby sister. So it's like, it's okay to do fun things as well. Absolutely. We need more fun. doesn't always have to be like productive. I was going to say because ultimately we all miss, we don't all, that's what we all miss isn't it, like that fun in life. always. We need more fun. One hundred percent, one hundred percent. And then just the last thing I'd also say on this is um anyone who's thinking about moving from one to the other, let's say you're moving from ChatGPT to Claude or Claude to ChatGPT, and people are like, Athena, how do you do that? How do you move from one to the other? And have I got to take like a hundred years again to do it? No, so how I personally did it, and Gemma, if you disagree with this, please, you know, let me know the way that you would do it. I so I moved from ChatGPT to Claude. So the first thing I did was I asked Claude, Claude, I'm moving from ChatGPT to you. what information do you actually need from Claude in order to to bring over everything that you need and please give me a prompt to directly put into to ChatGPT that would then be able to pull this over. And Claude literally gave me all the information is that I need this, this, this, this, this. Here's the prompt put into ChatGBT. go and copy and paste this into ChatGPT. And then I said to ChatGPT, I'm moving you over to Claude. What do you need to give me in order to do this? Here's the prompt. And then it did. And literally it took it took like like all in all it probably took like twenty minutes, something like that, just to go between them. I was like, what are you doing? What you have? Yeah. a really boring way, which is you can just go into settings and say, export all of my data and then just copy and paste it. well there you go. There you go. You can even do it an easier way. So what was that? Settings export. But the point is it doesn't matter. You've got the same outcome. So again, it's like, that's the point of there's not a wrong or a right way of doing it. If that did the job and that was easier than like going and figuring out how to export it from settings, does it matter? Who cares? And that's kind of the whole point. And like I said, it just... use it how it works for you because that is what it's really there for. And I think there's a lot of fear mongering in the news, like try to ignore it if you can, because it's, it's not going to kind of like affect you day to day what the big companies are doing is kind of they're going to do it anyway. And if it can help you, then and you want it to help you, that's the more important bit, I think. Mm, definitely. Do you know what Gemma? I've absolutely loved today's podcast episode because I think it's so important to just be really um raw and real. And and what I actually love even more is the fact of, you know, you you you said yourself in the beginning when we had this conversation on the podcast, you said, Look, I've been using it for two years, and you know, from that you've been able to learn and and grow and and edit and all of those. And for me, I think that that's one of the most beautiful things, you know, and I see this within the property industry as well. Sometimes when we try and learn from people who Are like 30, 40 years in the game, it's actually quite difficult to relate, and it's quite difficult to speak to them because you're like, Well, you invested in a different market. You you literally bought houses when they were like a fraction of the price that they are now, and the and the in yeah, and the interest rates and everything. And so it's quite difficult to relate, and it's quite difficult to almost speak to people like that. And again, you know, I could bring in somebody who's got like 30, 40 years. Well, actually, no, I can't because AI wasn't around that long. But you know what I mean. but they could be like a computer programmer or, know, I definitely, you know, I'm never going to replace them, but what I, what I do do is I straddle really well, the kind of two worlds of like techie and non-techie. Like I could, I couldn't sit here and code from scratch, but I can vibe code, which is again, a whole nother thing. And I'd also say like, there's a lot of. things, particularly on Instagram or Facebook about do this, do that, whatever. But actually, if it's not going to serve you again, ignore it, like use it for what helps you. um And do that in the future when you get to it, like you don't have to do it all today. Because again, it's an unrealistic expectation. You're not, like you probably what you know about podcasting now compared to what you did in 2022. it is completely different. Everything grows and that will grow as well and that's okay. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's okay. It's all about learning. It's all about growing. And as you beautifully said, Gemma, also, it's also about having fun with it. And you made a really gorgeous point about that one. Um so thank you so much for coming on the the podcast serve. Absolutely loved it. People are wanna get in gonna gonna wanna get in contact with you. So where's the best place for people to find you? So on Instagram is calm back with gems. So that's basically because the idea is to give you back some calm in your life. Not that I'm probably that calm. I'm on LinkedIn just under my normal name. yeah, Google me, I'll probably come up. You might see a story about a dinosaur because I worked at the museum in Dortmund. We had Dippy there. So there does tend to be that's a bit random, but that is also me. um But you know, Yeah, like any questions send them. I'd love chatting. Yeah, amazing. And you know what's so lovely, Gemma, also is this was your debut podcast as well. You know, we get lots of different people on this podcast. We get people who are, you know, people have been podcasting for long time. We get some people who've never podcasted before. And so what I really love is the fact that you've never done a podcast before and you came up to me at Sophie's event and you said, Athena, I'd love to come on the podcast. And you put yourself out of your comfort zone, you're putting yourself out there and you're growing and you're evolving, as it were. And let me tell you, podcasting is not the easiest thing to do in the world because Especially if you've got ADHD, especially if you've got ADHD, you know, somebody will ask you a question and your thought will be like, okay, my thoughts over here, and now I'm speaking about something completely different, and now I'm am I on topic, and then you get really anxious about it. And I just want to say to you and everyone else, just so that other people who are ever in this position also ever feel like this. Always put yourself out there, always, because you only ever have opportunity to gain. Nothing ever needs to be perfect, ever. It just needs to be progress. I would say in April, when I went to my first networking event, just before we met at the Anastasia's event, I literally was in the toilet having an anxiety attack about putting myself out there because like the idea of like going in front of people and claiming to be an expert and all of these things was outside of my comfort zone. I think what, like you said, you... the worst thing that someone can do is say no and actually that's not as bad as you think. Exactly. And that was in April that that happened. And now look, and now we're in August. July, you stood in front of that room, seventy people, and you spoke. And now this podcast as well. So just keep going, honestly, Gemma. And anyone else who's in a similar position, I think use Gemma as a fantastic example of, you know, it doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be progress. And that is literally what what it's all about. And that's what I always My mission in life is to give the the the platform and the energy and the voice to others so that you all have an opportunity for that, which is so, so fantastic. Um and then just to say, um Gemma, just before I hand back to you, so everybody, just so that you know, um, so I of course have got the Girls and Property community, which I was speaking to Gemma about actually just before we came on the podcast. So we have officially reached our target that I really wanted to do, which is fantastic, and I reached it like three weeks earlier than I was expecting to, which is we now have over 170 members. within the Garlsman property community, which is just insane, it really, really is. Thank you, Gemma. And you know, you're all over the UK, you all come on board, it's brilliant. And you know, sometimes people will say to me, Well, what what is the community, Athena? And essentially what it is is that we meet up uh online twice a month, so fortnightly, and the topics are varied. The topics are property related, the topics are personal development related, the topics are business related. It really depends on what the community needs at that moment in time. So, for example, if you want to talk about commercial development, we'll do commercial development and I get the experts in. If it's that you want to talk about systems and scaling, we talk about that. If it's the case that you want to talk about branding and brand design, we talk about that. It really, really depends on it and I make it as you know with the podcast and everything that I do. I always think about what you need from the DMs and I make it very varied. Then what then happens which is incredible is that we then have the community itself which is built on a circle platform. And what's beautiful about that is that you literally so many different conversations happen when you got like ask community um section. And you know, Amy gave me an amazing stat, Amy, our community leader, gave me an amazing stat the other day. She said, like in the last 24 hours, there were like 34 posts within that community, which within 24 hours, which shows how active that community is. And for me, I would rather have a s 170 members that are active, engaged, helping one another, you know, wanting to see each other Other grow rather than a thousand members where nobody was active. Like that's just how I would rather be. I'd rather have that. And something gorgeous happened the other day where somebody was asking for um some information that were doing a flip, and they're like, how would you do this? And how would you do this? And you know what? Within the space of like three hours, there was like 14 comments on it, being like, I actually would do it this way, or I would change this, and did you know this? And then somebody was like, was a planner, and therefore they were like, Have you thought about this as a planner? And literally, I came into the community as the leader and and saw these 14 comments. And it just made my heart soar because I thought, wow, and I literally wrote in the comments, I was like, you know, work is done, like well done, ladies. Like, you know, we've helped. And I didn't have to get involved because the community effectively had done the work for each other, essentially. And for me, that is more than women help like helping women. That that that is the essence of what the community is about, is women supporting women, not just a fancy hashtag that you put on the end of an Instagram post. what's amazing is that because you're holding space for all of these people to hold expertise, that's what's amazing because obviously we all have our own zone of genius. So actually coming together and supporting each other in those instances is when it's even better because all 14 of those points are going to be valid and different in different ways and make you go, I didn't think of that or, oh, that's great. That's really useful. Yeah, exactly. It's it's just gorgeous. I I love it with all my heart. So yeah, if you've ever been listening to this podcast, which I know a lot of you do, like the majority of you that join the community, you always message me saying, you know, I've been listening to the podcast for three months, six months a year. So if you're one of those people, you know, today is the day. Come come and join us, um, and and be part of an incredible, incredible community. And then finally, you know, some of you have been dropping into my DMs listening to the the podcast as well. If you ever just want like a ninety minute call with me, you know, if you don't need the whole six month programme, twelve month programme, whatever it is, you know, I've I have two options for you. So the first one is a 90 minute call with me, which is a flow and alignment call. So if you're you know, I feel really sticky and heavy right now and I just need you to just spend 90 minutes with me to get me unstuck, get me flowing, then come and drop into my DMs and let's have a conversation, see if it's right for you. And also if you're at the very, very, very start of your journey in property and you are looking at these self-led courses as it were, and I know that there's a lot of them out there, you know, if you're if you haven't got a lot of time, if you haven't got, you know, the resources, then my girls in property online foundation course is also there, which I know a lot of you have now gone through and the feedback for it has been absolutely incredible. So I'm I'm you know I'm sharing some about my stories. But if you want that then again drop into my DMs before you purchase it. I'm more than happy to tell you if I think it's right for you or not. I have had some people ask me recently, um Athena, should I buy the course? Like this is where I'm at too. And I've said to them no. I've said the course won't do anything for you. It's not, it's not where you're at at the moment, that you should do this instead. Um so I'll always be honest with you every single time. So yeah, any of those things, just send me a DM on Instagram under girls and property pod or Athena Dobson underscore official. Um and I'll always voice note you or I'll send you a message um, you know, as quickly as I can. But Gemma, I'd love to leave you with the parting words for the listeners today. So what is your final message for everyone? So I would say, because you've been talking actually about community and stuff, which is amazing, actually remember AI is there to assist you, but human connection, human support, human answers are still always gonna be the winner. So if you can find those people that to support you, that's gonna like light you up and give you that kind of side of it. And like we said, AI is there to take away the rubbish bits that you don't have time for. So like, think really focus on those connections. And again, those 14 answers that that that those people gave like AI doesn't have lived experience. can give you answers and it can be great and really supportive and really helpful when you need it. But I still think that human element is such a winner. And I think your community really like and I think the two can really co-exist. They absolutely can. The world can coexist. I love it. Um, Gemma, thank you so much for today. Congratulations on your first podcast episode. I'm so proud of you. And um of course, of course. And wherever you're tuning in from, whether you're sort of taking the kids to school or anything like that, then I hope you have the most amazing, amazing week. As always, if you've loved this episode or if you just love the Girls and Property podcast, then please, please, please, my make a request. Go to your Apple Podcasts, um, Spotify, wherever you is that you tune in and listen to yours, and please just leave us uh a like, subscribe. comments it all helps with sponsorship it all helps with algorithm um all helps with people finding the podcast through Claude and just getting as many people to listen and find the podcast as possible so sending you loads of love take care everyone and again if you need us just drop into my DMs and I'll speak to you soon. Take care for now bye